Physician PTSD—Help for Traumatized Doctors →

Physician PTSD

NOTE: Article updated 10/7/22 to reflect my newfound experiences with traumatized physicians.

I recently spoke with an emergency doc at a busy understaffed hospital. He had just dealt with a mass shooting and is now in the midst of a divorce. Clearly distressed, he wants to retire. Here’s the shocker: He told me that he did NOT feel traumatized.

Physicians are suffering with PTSD. Whether we want to admit it or not, many of us developed medical student PTSD. Even premedical students at the very earliest stages in their careers may be carrying childhood trauma and a hidden diagnosis of PTSD.

Physicians who save lives are losing their own to untreated trauma.

Shells of their former selves, most doctors are unable to relax or feel joy. Trapped in assembly-line medicine—immersed in misery and suffering—doctors are often disconnected from their bodies, their hopes and dreams—their own humanity.

I’m Dr. Pamela Wible and I run a doctor suicide helpline. I’ve spoken to thousands of suicidal doctors. Most have PTSD.

What’s the solution to physician PTSD?

First, state the obvious—tell the truth. Stop denying that doctors have PTSD.  Let’s not blame physicians for occupationally induced mental health conditions.

You received no informed consent of the mental health impacts of a medical career. You are not to blame.

We have an epidemic of doctor suicide and physician PTSD. “Burnout” covers up the real violations to our humanity in medical education and practice. Burnout is a victim-blaming and shaming term that does not address the true reason doctors are suffering.

Physician PTSD Quiz

Top five things that lead to physician PTSD

1. MEDICAL TRAINING

We have a fear-driven medical education model that teaches us by terror. A retired surgical subspecialist wrote me:

“I was happy, secure and mostly unafraid until med school. I recall in vivid detail the first orientation day. Our anatomy professor stood before an auditorium filled with 125 eager, nervous, idealistic would-be healers and said these words. ‘If you decide to commit suicide, do it right so you do not become a burden to society.’ He then described in anatomical detail how to commit suicide. I have often wondered how many auditoriums full of new students heard these words from him. I am sure someone stood in front of us and told us what a wonderful and rewarding profession we had chosen. I do not remember those words, but I do remember how to successfully commit suicide with a gun.”

She goes on to share her first panic attack and how the trauma from her medical school orientation remains with her—even in retirement!

“One month later on the eve of our first monthly round of six exams in one day, I had my first full-blown panic attack. I had no idea what was happening. I thought I was losing my mind. I took a leave of absence and made up excuses. I returned untreated with maladaptive compulsive behavior, completed med school and survived the public pimp sessions and all the rest. No one ever suggested that the process was brutal or the responsibility frightening and no one offered us help. I have maintained contact with only one colleague from med school so I do not know how the others fared.”

Teaching by terror is common in medical school. Terrorized students suffer in isolation with chronic hypervigilance—even full-blown panic attacks. No wonder she felt like she was losing her mind.

Reacting vs. Responding to Trauma

When we are stressed and under the influence of high adrenaline—in a fight-or-flight state—we lose ability to respond in a thoughtful and calm manner. Medical trainees and physicians are often in chronic high reactivity states and can be easily triggered by traumatized patients.

All physicians suffer from intergenerational trauma (mostly untreated and even unrecognized). Traumatized doctors pass on their unresolved trauma to new trainees through emotional violence such as bullying.

Our attendings—mistreated themselves during training—without the teaching skills or mental health care that they required—simply pass on their pain to the next generation, as this surgeon reports:

“I began my residency in California and during that time was very depressed, abused within my training program. My depression impacted my performance and I was eventually fired. I was lucky enough to find another position and continue my training, however, some days I feel my depression and despair returning primarily when I feel my career has been irreparably damaged by my departure from my first residency program. Those feelings were initially tied to hazing and bullying that are an integral part of the educational program there.”

Many times we feel that if we can leave the trauma behind geographically (by moving to a new hospital, residency, state), we will suddenly be better. Yet our trauma follows us for a lifetime as the above surgeon shares:

“Sometimes, I can still hear those attendings in my head saying things like, ‘Watching you operate is like watching a retarded monkey.’ Or, ‘Do they ever teach anatomy at your medical school? Our students know more than you.’ It’s paralyzing. I am reaching out to you for two reasons. I’m interested in eradicating the abuse in medical education. I’d like to have a career in academics and to influence policy regarding the treatment of trainees. More importantly, can you help me make the flashbacks stop? Can you help me not worry so much about my future? Can you help me with my depression related to my change in career trajectory?”

To help with flashbacks—a sign of full-blown physician PTSD—we must revisit the original place of our trauma and move from reactivity to responsiveness. Here are 5 tips for disrupting the trauma cycle.

2. HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS

Violations to our humanity are sadly commonplace in medicine: Hazing, bullying, racism, sexism—women belittled and told they should have gone into social work instead of neurosurgery because they cried after the death of a patient. Sleep deprivation—a torture technique used in war—can even cause seizures, hallucination, and psychosis in medical trainees. One doctor reports:

“I had married the year before residency, and for the first two years, I was either at work or asleep, so I didn’t see my wife. It was the start of the erosion of the relationship that led to divorce years later. I also suffered permanent health problems, some extreme sleep deprivation. Prior to residency, I slept fine eight hours a night and had regular bowel movements. Since my internship, I developed lifelong severe insomnia and went for decades on four to five hours of sleep per night as well as severe constipation using the toilet about every five days.”

A psychiatry intern told me she had only seen her newborn for six waking hours during the first six months of her residency. Children of physicians may be neglected—and maternal deprivation may cause lifelong problems in kids.

I know several medical students who had psychotic breaks due to sleep deprivation. Some docs work more than 100 hours per week. Two physicians explain their experiences:

“I did my internship in internal medicine and residency in neurology before laws existed to regulate resident hours, which are sadly not enforced and these people are then told to lie on their timecards. The law doesn’t necessarily help. My first two years were extremely brutal working a 110 to 120 hours per week.”

“I got to witness colleagues collapse unconscious in the hallway during rounds and I recall once falling asleep in the bed of an elderly comatose woman while trying to start an IV on her in the wee hours of the morning.”

These stories are not uncommon.

We cease to behave as humans when we’re treated with such inhumanity. We go numb. Disconnected to our own bodies, we objectify ourselves and others. We don’t notice when we’re hungry or sleepy or have to pee or need to cry. Physicians have told me they’ve lost the ability to cry.

The solution to human rights violations is not another burnout book or a resiliency module. In this survival guide, I outline the top 40 human rights violations in medical training (and practice)—with solutions.

3. VICARIOUS TRAUMA

All of us—especially surgeons, emergency docs, obstetricians, neonatologists—have experienced vicarious trauma. A neonatology fellow recently called me wondering if it was normal for her to have panic attacks and start crying in the middle of the her shift. I asked her what she’s doing at work. Well she’s flying around in a helicopter, picking up half-dead babies, preemies all over the county—and is the only one responsible at night for 40+ high-acuity NICU patients.

In that scenario, she is experiencing emotional flooding. She’s overwhelmed by her work hours, caring for way too many patients, all very sick—a set up for a medical mistake. She may be losing connection with her own body and in this state she is flooded by grief, sorrow, fear, and phobia. In a reactive mindset, she may even transiently lose some cognition and be unable to recall proper dosing. Amid a panic attack she may falter when intubating or inserting a central line.

When we dissociate, we are no longer in the present moment. We are performing suboptimally and are at risk of harming a patient—or ourselves. We may be accused of patient abandonment if we run to the bathroom or need to take a break to recover. Some doctors may need to take a leave of absence and get intensive treatment. Many fear license repercussions if they ask for help. Here are 13 tips for confidential mental health help.

Physicians should be alert to sensations of stress, tachycardia, feeling faint. You may even feel “shocky.” Ask yourself, “Can I feel my body? Am I in a cold sweat? Do I feel triggered?”

Notice if you are numb or so flooded by such strong emotions all you can feel is a desire to fight or flee.

I just spoke to an emergency doctor—a new residency grad. Highly skilled, she works in level one trauma centers with the highest acuity emergency cases because she doesn’t want to lose her hard-earned skills.

In the aftermath of fatal car accidents, she’s had to work on so many mangled patients that she is unable to drive a car herself without having panic attacks. Last year she spent more than $13,000 on Uber rides.

Both women docs above have occupationally-induced PTSD from vicarious trauma—and there’s no easy way to get 100% guaranteed confidential help. Where would they go? If they asked for help, they risk referral to a punitive Physician Health Program (PHP). They both felt they could not go to a psychiatrist—without fear of career repercussions.

So when a doctor is crying on the phone with me at midnight wondering what to do next, here’s what I say: You’re normal. You are having a normal reaction to trauma. You are having panic attacks. You are human. You are still a good doctor. You just need safe, confidential help to heal.

If you are a doctor and you have found yourself hiding in your car or in a bathroom stall at your hospital just shaking, crying, feeling totally out of control, feeling panic and impending doom, and you don’t know what to do next—you have been traumatized. You can heal. Read best tips to disrupt the cycle of physician PTSD.

In both these cases—the neonatologist and emergency doc—women in their mid 30s who have their eggs frozen—they haven’t been able to date, yet still want to have families of their own. How can one date when flooded with scenes of dead preemies and mangled car accident victims?

4. DOCTOR SUICIDES

Most physicians have lost a colleague by suicide. Nearly all of us have not been able to properly grieve these doctor suicides. We are going back to work each day feeling at risk ourselves.

Doctors have the highest suicide rate of any profession. In the aftermath of a doctor suicide, we have no time to grieve. We have to get back to work.

Here’s what I learned from investigating 757 doctor suicides.

Anesthesiologists have the highest risk of suicide among all physicians. Anesthesiologists who die by suicide may be found dead in hospital call rooms and closets. Google “doctor found dead in hospital.” You will probably discover a male anesthesiologist. Here’s a letter I received:

“In anesthesiology, it seems we have a higher percentage of death by suicide than other medical specialties. My colleague took his own life over a year ago. I was basically okay until then, but it’s how everyone reacted that really got to me, the show must go on. We diverted patients the first night probably because the ER had to see Joe when he came in. The next day, all of us were back at work in the operating room. There was no time to grieve and we and the department were so stunned. We didn’t know what we needed and what to ask for. It felt like abuse not to honor him or his colleagues with some rescheduling of operations. I will never be the same. I no longer see medicine as a force for good. It seems like it is a way for other people to make money off our talent, intelligence, education or determination. He was my friend.”

Without suicide postvention, grief-stricken doctors can misdirect and displace their anger and sadness. Abandoned by the suicide victim, by administration, by our peers who head back to work—we live with survivor guilt and confusion—and very likely our own passive suicidal fantasies to escape the horror of our pain.

Doctors develop (and hide) these maladaptive coping behaviors—drinking, taking excess prescriptions (or illicit) drugs, smoking marijuana, having affairs, and the list goes on . . .

Suicide secrecy just perpetuates the pain—and isolation.

Hospital administration will often blame the victim, label the dead doctor as mentally ill to cover the whole thing up. To clamp down any conversation or investigation of the suicide, institutions threaten grieving colleagues with professional reprimand, forced psychiatric referrals, or termination.

5. HAZARDOUS WORKING CONDITIONS

Chronically underappreciated and overworked, physicians feel trapped in assembly-line medicine—in big-box clinics forced to see patients every seven minutes.

How do you know if you’re in a toxic workplace? You experience an excessive amount of control—control of processes, of people, of time. You notice a lack of communication. People aren’t talking to each other. When they do talk, they are passive aggressive (as a reaction to being over-controlled). People isolate, withdraw, stonewall. Finally, communication stops altogether.

Without open communication, you can’t provide safe medical care. You may feel angry with a coworker. Any outburst and you risk being written up as a disruptive doctor, an unprofessional physician—terms that have been weaponized against doctors who may be reported to the medical board—even when advocating for patient safety!

No matter how beautiful your house, what a great car you drive, you will continue to suffer from a chronic toxic workplace or physician PTSD—unless you make a change.

Nonphysicians may say, “What do you have to be complaining about? You’re a doctor!” Having your feelings dismissed or minimized is not helpful.

If you’ve suffered from any of these five common pathways to physician PTSD—you absolutely need to talk to somebody so you won’t internalize your pain.

When you internalize your pain, you feel like something is wrong with you. When you look around others appear to be okay—even happy. You start to believe you are the problem.

You are having a normal reaction to an occupation that has violated your humanity. If you find yourself in a chronically toxic workplace, please know it is not your fault. You can heal. You have options.

It is not too late. You are not too damaged. You can heal from your trauma—and you can begin to actually experience what it’s like to be human.

I was once a suicidal doctor. I’ve had PTSD (even before medical school). I almost gave up my career—and my life. I know how it feels to be terribly misunderstood, lonely, isolated, traumatized—and at your wit’s end.

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The #1 reason doctors don’t reach out for help is fear of being reported. Please know that in ten years of running a free doctor suicide helpline, I have never reported a doctor to anyone. I’ve never turned a doctor over to the board, law enforcement, a PHP, or another entity. I don’t type what you tell me in an EMR. I’m just like you. I’m a peer who gets it because I’ve been through hell and back myself.

You can definitely bounce back—even after having an addiction, diverting drugs, or having a suspended license. I just got off the phone with a doctor who is healing after a felony for insurance fraud. I’ve heard it all. I still have empathy & tons of resources to share. As long as you are breathing, it’s never too late to heal.

All quotes published with permission, many in Physician Suicide Letters—Answered, available as a free audiobook.

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Med school refugees trapped at sea (& still studying!) →

Med Student Refugees

Hi Dr. Wible, I’m a current student at Ross University School of Medicine (which was located once on the island of Dominica) so we were in Dominica when Hurricane Maria Category 5 swept through and devastated the island. The hurricane was September 18, a Monday night, and Dominica lost power, running water, the roofs of homes. We woke up to what looked like the end of the world. No leaves on trees, power lines on the street, debris everywhere, doors scattered throughout, our school was destroyed for the most part.

Med School Classroom

Medical School Destroyed by Hurricane

It was chaotic but I found relief with my friends. We stayed focused, looking for a reliable water source to fill up our empty gallon jugs with. We needed water for washing our hands, washing ourselves, and for “flush water” (a few gallons per 1 flush for the toilet).

Flushing toilet water

Dominica is a humid island. So without air conditioning or showers, everywhere smelled really bad. We were dehydrated and sweating more than we were drinking water, and our urine smelled. Trash was burning, people were doing their laundry in the river, there was a curfew for 4 pm because of the looters roaming around with guns, crossbows and knives. It was pure survival mode: for med students, professors, deans, admin, local Dominicans, and even the Prime Minister of Dominica, who lost the roof of his house. Professors lost the roofs of their homes—some of them were alone during that trauma. Students lost their roofs but most were sheltered on campus. One girl broke her clavicle from the roof caving in, and there were other minor injuries. One pregnant woman got medically evacuated by helicopter.

Luckily, my apartment just had some flooding. Roof was intact.

I was grateful to my landlord, who, even though he had lost everything—his home was gone—he still had his apartment building which we lived at, where he and his family stayed for shelter, and he did his best to make sure the generator was working. So by Friday, we were able to shower again. And I took a long shower that day and broke down, finally, after spending the week coping with my friends by laughing and sticking to survival protocol: find water sources to fill up the bottles, make sure we are rationing the food, joke about how insane this is, etc.

Ferry Evacuation Medical Students

We got evacuated by ferry boats and cruise ships and anything that was available—evacuated to St Lucia at first. My evacuation group had about 40 people and we were on a small boat (the touristy type of boat that you spend an hour max on). Well, generally a ferry boat ride takes 3 hours to St Lucia, but it took 14 hours because of the debris in the water. We kept hitting it so we had to go slow. It was a very tumultuous journey. Once in St Lucia, the school put us in a hotel and we all cried with happiness from the buffet and the food and ate as much as we could… Then, the school put us on a charter plane to Miami and encouraged us to go home and bond with our families.

Med School on a Boat

So, we had a few weeks to debrief. And then the school decided to resume the semester on a boat, and many students opted out. But the ones who stayed, like me, are experiencing quite the journey. Med school on a boat, semester at sea. We have roommates. There is no privacy.

Bedroom/Closet Med Students

The professors also don’t have privacy because they all share on “office” and don’t get their own bathrooms, and they have to be on the boat at 4 am every day, so they come sleep deprived, and are also very vocal about how traumatic this experience continues to be. We are docked at a port in St. Kitts and are sometimes anchored out at sea all day, to allow room for the cruise ships coming in, so we are “trapped” on the boat until we get to dock. The wifi doesn’t always work. And we still take exams and study, albeit not in the most conducive conditions. But we are trying…

Med Student Studying

But I am wondering how this is going to affect us in the future. I’m ready to throw in the towel. Feeling like I chose the wrong path (how could I not?).

So, I just wanted to share a little snippet of a really crazy situation that I’m still processing. But I know that you would appreciate this unique story. All the professors, students and administration are looking forward to being done with the semester on January 4. We will get relocated to Knoxville, Tennessee, for next semester, luckily. So, here’s hoping this semester goes smoothly, academically speaking, so that these experiences will have at least been worth it!!

Warm regards,

Melissa

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Wow Melissa!

You are a total survivor! I’m amazed. You’re so dedicated to your medical education that you rode out a Category 5 hurricane with sustained winds of 160 mph, floods, landslides, and total devastation to the entire country that left many dead.

You lost your medical school, all communication with the outside world, even access to drinking water. You wandered around dehydrated. You rationed food. You witnessed violence, looting, and the mass exodus of your classmates. Yet you remained.

You are obviously determined to complete your training. Trapped on a boat. Without privacy. And still passing your tests!

Your strength has come from helping one another in community, huddling together with your classmates, staying in close contact with your professors (since you can’t escape the boat). Catastrophes bring out the best and worst in people. Yet ultimately everyone becomes closer. Disasters tend to tear down hierarchy. To survive we depend on human kindness. People are more real, vulnerable, honest about how they feel. Mental and physical health issues surface and you must be there to attend to each others needs without infrastructure. And you did it!

How will this impact you in the future? You won’t ever need to attend a resiliency class. Trust me. And residency should be so much easier than this!

If you need to talk, I’m always here . . .

So proud of you!

~ Pamela

Do you have advice for Melissa? Please leave your words of wisdom below. She (& her classmates) are reading all your comments for support.

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“Medical training nearly killed me (and my friend)” →

Depressed Doctor

“Hi Dr. Wible, I am a fourth-year resident in a combined five-year program and I am burned out. Last month, I totaled my car as I sleepily drove home after my 8th night shift in a row and am lucky to have walked away with only a broken clavicle. Of course I was required to show up the very next day despite the fact that I was so traumatized I broke into tears suddenly multiple times that day. The following week, my 28-year-old co-resident nearly died after having a seizure while on inpatient medicine due to sleep deprivation and intolerable stress. A patient on our team died yesterday and my first thought was, “great, that’s one less person I have to take care of.” I know it’s not safe to continue practicing like this, but this has become the norm. Everyone around me is like this and it becomes almost normal. But is it humane? I don’t know what happened to the younger version of me who wanted to comfort a dying patient or save a life or decrease a patient or family member’s suffering. I don’t know where I became lost, but after so many years of living as a cog in the wheel, I have become the hardened resident they trained me to be. And for that, I suffer and so do my patients. Thanks for letting me vent. Feel free to share my story but please omit my name because I would still like to graduate residency, if it doesn’t kill me first.” ~ Michelle

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Dear Michelle

I am so very sorry that our medical education system has destroyed your love for medicine and your compassion for your patients, that your residency nearly killed your colleague and almost took your own life. You do not deserve to be treated this way. Here are my thoughts.

1) You do not have “burnout.” You have been abused. Your human rights have been violated. You have not been allowed to sleep or eat properly, to take care of your own bodily needs (which you must do to stay alive on this planet). This is basic human physiology. Burnout is a victim blaming/shaming term that has been used to deflect attention to the victim and deflect attention from the perpetrator—your residency. Please use the correct terminology. We can’t solve a problem if it is shielded in euphemisms.

2) Your story matters. I am beyond grateful that you have the courage to share your pain with me and with the world. If we all keep pretending that this is okay, the mistreatment will continue. There is no excuse for a health care institution to place human beings in harms way. Sleep deprivation causes medical mistakes every day in every hospital. Sleep deprivation kills young doctors in the prime of their lives. We must all stand up and say enough to the rampant human right violations in medical education (especially residency).

3) You are a beautiful person who has been wounded. You care. You love. You have compassion for people innately. Your training program has snuffed that out and is sucking the very love our of your heart and the very joy out of your soul for healing and serving others. How? Because you have no time to care for yourself. You have been forced to live a fight-or-flight life. You are struggling for your very own survival (which is why you are having trouble caring for others).

4) The younger idealistic humanitarian still lives in you. You may need therapy to pull her out again. You are welcome to come to our retreats (scholarships available) so do let me know if you have any time off or want to set an elective in Oregon. I am here if you ever need to talk to me. I just tried to call you. No answer. You are probably at work. You can get your life back. You can once again comfort a dying patient. You can eventually help others with their suffering after you heal from the trauma of your medical training. Please know not all residencies are like this. I absolutely loved my residency. We can do better.

5) You are loved. Don’t ever give up. So many people love you. I am here for you. We are all here for you. Reach out to those of us who are resourced, who have survived what you are enduring now, those of us who are standing up to humanize medical education so that future generations of doctors do not have to suffer. Your life is too precious to give up. I have so much more to say. I’ll wait for you to call me. 541-345-2437

Pamela Wible, M.D., reports on human rights violations in medicine. She is author of Physician Suicide Letters—Answered.

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Why you should be a nurse practitioner (and NOT a doctor or PA) →

Be a nurse practitioner
Ethan Stuart, RN, sent me this email.  I’m publishing (with permission) exactly the way I responded. Ethan has severe anxiety. I strongly recommend those with pre-existing mental health issues consider the mental health impacts of a medical education given the suicide crisis among medical students and physicians.
 
Ethan: Hi Pamela, I have a question about my future career choice, and even though it is more complex than what I will write here, I will try to hit the main points. You seem like a smart, understanding, and compassionate person.
 
Pamela: I AM! 🙂
 
Ethan: So I thought I would send you an email. 
 
Pamela: YAY!
 
Ethan: Basically, my struggle is this: I am a current RN and would like to do primary care in the future (family medicine). However, I am torn as to whether I should try to become a family physician or become a family nurse practitioner. 
 
Pamela:  My first thought is NP right off the bat.
 
Ethan: Here are the things that attract me to becoming a family MD/DO: #1 = Autonomy 
 
Pamela: You can have autonomy as an NP – in your own practice. Listen to this interview I did with the happiest NP in Alaska. (Note: PAs actually can not practice with autonomy and require a collaborating physician so that makes the NP degree much more valuable in my opinion—especially if you want to launch your own independent practice one day!).
 
Ethan: #2 = Knowing that I became the best that I could be and didn’t settle because it was hard (probably the main reason).
 
Pamela: There are NPs who are better than doctors. DEFINITELY less abused and have more self-confidence as NPs.
 
Ethan: #3 = The opportunity to acquire a deeper and wider knowledge base (probably the next main reason).
 
Pamela: Your knowledge base is directly related to your level of curiosity and your dedication to being a lifetime learner.
 
Ethan: #4 = Ability to practice internationally.
 
Pamela: Not sure about this one.
 
Ethan:  Here the things that attract me to becoming an FNP: #1 = Better work-life balance.
 
Pamela: YES.
 
Ethan: #2 = Faster/cheaper More flexible should my interests change I can work and go to school part time I can directly choose to study what I am interested in (rather than have to go through many rotations in medical school that I might not be interested in).
 
Pamela: YES.
 
Ethan: #3 = I must say, too, I am a person who does not want to train/work in a toxic environment, and I know medicine seems to have plenty of that. I see it daily as a nurse. I also have anxiety that can flare up pretty severely and tend to get burned out if I have to go through a demanding schedule for too long, as I naturally give a lot to people and have to have time to care for myself. If I could get down to the bottom of my indecisiveness, the thing that causes me the most uncertainty/anxiety, I think it would be this: I would like to pursue medicine because I prefer the medical model more and because I would like to be the best I can be, even if it is more difficult. But I am very worried about the price I would pay to get there and the toll it would take on me and my family—I am married now, and my wife will likely have kids by the time I would be in my training.
 
Pamela:  YOUR MENTAL HEALTH & OVERALL HEALTH will be WAY better as an NP.
 
Ethan: As you know, you can’t help anyone if you can’t help yourself. I don’t mind becoming an FNP, as I think my dedication to learning will make me a great provider regardless. But I also am not sure I am philosophically on board with the nursing model per se, and it is mainly attractive me for PRACTICAL purposes, not intellectual ones.
 
Pamela: Your intellect can take you anywhere you want to go. Degree really doesn’t matter. It’s your initiative.
 
Ethan: The rub is I don’t want to pursue being an FNP (or an MD/DO, for that matter) for the wrong reasons. Lastly, I also have many hobbies, and though I would enjoy the knowledge base that physicians have and the autonomy, I am not sure I would like the stress and any longer hours that comes with it. 
 
Pamela: NOT worth all the extra training. You could get an NP in an 12-18 month accelerated program for 10% the cost of getting an MD/DO. AND you can earn MORE than a doctor!! (see above video).
 
Ethan: And I realize one may not be able to have one without the other. I may just have to accept that there will be trade offs either way. What do you think? 
 
Pamela: I think you should design your dream clinic/practice FIRST—then reverse engineer the steps to get there choosing the fastest, least costly method to get there.
 
Ethan: Based on your personal experience as a family MD, what would you advise me to do?
 
Pamela: Go for your NP degree.
 
Ethan: THANK YOU for your time and for all your wonderful work. No doubt you are such a treasure to many. Most sincerely, Ethan
 

Pamela: Can I publish this on my blog as I think lots of people would like to know the answers to these questions. Also after you read what I suggest tell me what you decide. I’m not attached either way.

Ethan: Thank you for the quick response and specific answers. I honestly have known which path would be better for me personally for a while, but there has been that small part of me that doesn’t want to completely rule out medicine because of the reasons I listed. Be that as it may, I want to be healthy and happy and do what’s best for me and my family—which will make me a better provider and family member. 
 
And, of course you can publish this on your blog. I’m honored! You can even leave my name if you feel inclined, although I don’t think it’ll make me an overnight sensation. *:P tongue
 
Will keep following all your great work. I just have to say—I really, really admire your courage. Thanks for leading the way—hopefully the rest of us can follow suit. 🙂 
 
What do you think? NP? MD? DO? PA? Other?
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ADDENDUM 11/29: This is my advice for Ethan. My advice for you may be totally different based on your life circumstances. I love doctors. I love being a doctor. I loved my residency and the last 2 years of medical school. I am the happiest I’ve ever been in my life practicing medicine in our community-designed ideal clinic (solo doc for 12+ years). My greatest joy is helping all health professionals find their joy no matter what the “official degree.” We are all valuable.
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Doctor-bashing (dead) doctors →

Dr.-Bashing

Dr. Jon Azkue dies by suicide and media reports his death as an “inconvenience to patients.” He’s treated as if he is guilty of a crime. No sympathy. No sadness for the loss of a man who dedicated his entire life to helping others. I contacted ABC News to express my concern about slandering and dishonoring this caring physician. I never heard back.

Dr. Trevor Wesson has been missing since October 6, 2017. Media accuses him of abandoning 1500 patients. He is also accused of not paying his rent. No concern about the doctor’s well-being. Doctors are at high risk for suicide. Dr. Wesson has been missing for 2 months. Police have not intervened on his behalf. Rather a court injunction is being issued to prevent him from accessing his patient files during his “mysterious absence.”

I wrote the reporter. I’ve not heard back.

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I’m praying that Dr. Wesson is found alive and receives the care that he so desperately needs. As for Dr. Jon Azkue, he will be honored in the forthcoming documentary Do No Harm.

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Pamela Wible, M.D., reports on human rights violations in medicine. She is author of Physician Suicide Letters—Answered.

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